The "Dark" And "Divine" Side Of Kundalini Yoga

[Sunfang]

https://youtu.be/zdn8cARZH2w

[philstone]

Do you think there are people who enter transcendence and lose themselves so that despite that they continue to physically live and despite that there is something spiritual within them, they have no soul and are nothing more than zombie animated by combined souls of those who have no lost themselves (regardless of whether they have spiritually awakened or not).

Everyone talks about how to get there but where do you hear about what its like for those who are there. I find the silence deafening and its no wonder the naive dont believe it because organised religions have deceived their minds and as for those who have the wisdom, what good is it to the unwise if they never speak it?

[Robo]

Do you think there are people who enter transcendence and lose themselves so that despite that they continue to physically live and despite that there is something spiritual within them, they have no soul and are nothing more than zombie animated by combined souls of those who have no lost themselves (regardless of whether they have spiritually awakened or not).

Everyone talks about how to get there but where do you hear about what its like for those who are there. I find the silence deafening and its no wonder the naive dont believe it because organised religions have deceived their minds and as for those who have the wisdom, what good is it to the unwise if they never speak it?

IMO, that's why we have music, but I like music, and can only speak for myself. It's the only way of fully exiting the matrix and communicating something back at the same time because, as Samuel Johnson said, "Music is the only sensual pleasure without vice."

In the book of Revelation, there are often reports of music in Divine realms. Orpheus was able to escape from Hades because his music softened the hearts of Hades and Persephone, but he looked back at Eurydice before she reached the upper world, and he was killed.

Plato was concerned that art could be used to deceive and manipulate men, so that also has to be taken into account. The wicked can also make music.

Johannes Brahms wrote, "Straight away the ideas flow in upon me, directly from God."

"The music of this opera was dictated to me by God; I was merely instrumental in putting it on paper and communicating it to the public", wrote Giacomo Puccini.

Richard Wagner wrote, "Art saves the spirit of religion by recognizing the figurative value of the mythic symbols which the former would have us believe in their literal sense."

[philstone]

IMO, that's why we have music, but I like music, and can only speak for myself. It's the only way of fully exiting the matrix and communicating something back at the same time because, as Samuel Johnson said, "Music is the only sensual pleasure without vice."

What's up with just telling it like it is without all the cryptic metaphors?

In the book of Revelation, there are often reports of music in Divine realms. Orpheus was able to escape from Hades because his music softened the hearts of Hades and Persephone, but he looked back at Eurydice before she reached the upper world, and he was killed.

There are the sounds of Trumpets in revelations but that's not music, that's like calling a ding dong bell on your door "music". Boogie on down, the ten horned emperor is coming out the water. Woo Yeah!

Plato was concerned that art could be used to deceive and manipulate men, so that also has to be taken into account. The wicked can also make music.

This adds to the first point I made. When Socrates and Glaucon are discussing "the heavenly vault", its almost plain language. Jesus said it straight but the language he used has now been perverted by the devil so that his plain language makes no sense anymore.

Johannes Brahms wrote, "Straight away the ideas flow in upon me, directly from God."
"The music of this opera was dictated to me by God; I was merely instrumental in putting it on paper and communicating it to the public", wrote Giacomo Puccini.

Plagiarism? "People writing songs that voices never shared," - Simon and Garfunkel.

Richard Wagner wrote, "Art saves the spirit of religion by recognizing the figurative value of the mythic symbols which the former would have us believe in their literal sense."

Why is it all cloaked in mysticism though? Where can one go where people are just straight with one another about it all? The omission of the information is like a massive lie we perpetrate against ourselves from one generation to the next. It's like putting a blindfold on a kid, telling them to pull the trigger thing to see something nice happening then taking the blindfold of the trusting kid and accusing him of murder. No wonder the world is filled with exploitation and war when our silence generate the very things which will cause the horrors of tomorrow.

"And the silence causes violence, or are we mistaken?" - The Cranberries.

Even the ghosts don't believe in ghosts not knowing they are ghosts and the revelation to them is a terror which sets the heavens ablaze with a destructive flame which is left for the ghosts to extinguish as if somehow they are the ones responsible of the deception waged against them.

[Robo]

What's up with just telling it like it is without all the cryptic metaphors?

Is what Samuel Johnson said crypic? ("Music is the only sensual pleasure without vice.")

There are the sounds of Trumpets in revelations but that's not music, that's like calling a ding dong bell on your door "music". Boogie on down, the ten horned emperor is coming out the water. Woo Yeah!

Singing is also mentioned, and it's certainly not singing to the praise of the ten horned Beast!

Why is it all cloaked in mysticism though?

It's up to the audience with an ear to hear to understand the mysticism. A lot of Wagner's music drama is alchemical in nature.

Where can one go where people are just straight with one another about it all?

I can only speak for myself, but I've been to many concerts and music dramas where 'people are just straight with one another'.

[philstone]

I can only speak for myself, but I've been to many concerts and music dramas where 'people are just straight with one another'.

Well give me an example that demystifies the words of psalm 19:4?

"In the heavens God has pitched a tent for the sun."

This for me is just one memorable example of a truth I understand now but before I came to the understanding through my rude awakening, all I had to go on was nonsense poetry like this. Music is no different. It makes no sense to the spiritually deceived, even the ones who are seeking. Where can they go to hear the truth spoke plainly?

You say you know of such a place, so speak plainly, what is the meaning of that in terms of unquilted words in language that anyone can understand.

[Robo]

I can only speak for myself, but I've been to many concerts and music dramas where 'people are just straight with one another'.

Well give me an example that demystifies the words of psalm 19:4?

"In the heavens God has pitched a tent for the sun."

This for me is just one memorable example of a truth I understand now but before I came to the understanding through my rude awakening, all I had to go on was nonsense poetry like this. Music is no different. It makes no sense to the spiritually deceived, even the ones who are seeking. Where can they go to hear the truth spoke plainly?

You say you know of such a place, so speak plainly, what is the meaning of that in terms of unquilted words in language that anyone can understand.

It can only be arrived at through alchemical process, IMO, or through directly experiencing it through one's innate spirit and recognising that in another. It can't be communicated through words. There's no road that leads to it through the land.

[philstone]

I can only speak for myself, but I've been to many concerts and music dramas where 'people are just straight with one another'.

Well give me an example that demystifies the words of psalm 19:4?

"In the heavens God has pitched a tent for the sun."

This for me is just one memorable example of a truth I understand now but before I came to the understanding through my rude awakening, all I had to go on was nonsense poetry like this. Music is no different. It makes no sense to the spiritually deceived, even the ones who are seeking. Where can they go to hear the truth spoke plainly?

You say you know of such a place, so speak plainly, what is the meaning of that in terms of unquilted words in language that anyone can understand.

It can only be arrived at through alchemical process, IMO, or through directly experiencing it through one's innate spirit and recognising that in another. It can't be communicated through words. There's no road that leads to it through the land.

What do you mean by this then?

I can only speak for myself, but I've been to many concerts and music dramas where 'people are just straight with one another'.

Are you just pretending to have had a spiritual awakening?

[Robo]

It can only be arrived at through alchemical process, IMO, or through directly experiencing it through one's innate spirit and recognising that in another. It can't be communicated through words. There's no road that leads to it through the land.

What do you mean by this then?

It's about being who you are.

I can only speak for myself, but I've been to many concerts and music dramas where 'people are just straight with one another'.

Are you just pretending to have had a spiritual awakening?

I wasn't talking about spiritual awakening when I wrote that and had no idea you were referring to something on that level. Talking straight with another person doesn't have to mean having a spiritual experience.

[philstone]

Do you think there are people who enter transcendence and lose themselves so that despite that they continue to physically live and despite that there is something spiritual within them, they have no soul and are nothing more than zombie animated by combined souls of those who have no lost themselves (regardless of whether they have spiritually awakened or not).

Everyone talks about how to get there but where do you hear about what its like for those who are there. I find the silence deafening and its no wonder the naive dont believe it because organised religions have deceived their minds and as for those who have the wisdom, what good is it to the unwise if they never speak it?

IMO, that's why we have music, but I like music, and can only speak for myself. It's the only way of fully exiting the matrix and communicating something back at the same time because, as Samuel Johnson said, "Music is the only sensual pleasure without vice."

In the book of Revelation, there are often reports of music in Divine realms. Orpheus was able to escape from Hades because his music softened the hearts of Hades and Persephone, but he looked back at Eurydice before she reached the upper world, and he was killed.

Plato was concerned that art could be used to deceive and manipulate men, so that also has to be taken into account. The wicked can also make music.

Johannes Brahms wrote, "Straight away the ideas flow in upon me, directly from God."

"The music of this opera was dictated to me by God; I was merely instrumental in putting it on paper and communicating it to the public", wrote Giacomo Puccini.

Richard Wagner wrote, "Art saves the spirit of religion by recognizing the figurative value of the mythic symbols which the former would have us believe in their literal sense."

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