Were there gas chambers?

[Chief Bromden]

I know Jewish people were persecuted by the National Socialists in Germany (I don't use the word Nazi as that is not what they called themselves), but
I fail to find concrete proof the gas chambers existed. For the record I'm not a white supremacist, Jew hater! The father of my son is a spiritual and kind
black man, whom I adore. Two of my Christian great uncles married Jewesses through Freemasonry, and my second cousins (one now gone because of Parkinsons)
were and are lovely human beings.

As a person who likes to know the truth about history, the gas chambers are a no go area. In some countries, if I was to write this just asking
for evidence publicly, I would be jailed. This is the only topic we cannot openly discuss in some countires. WHY???

[Coral_Anne]

Interesting subject indeed. Some people think their were some not, some people have ‘proof’ their were some not. Maybe someone here will dig around to try and unearth this mystery.

[Firestarter]

As a person who likes to know the truth about history, the gas chambers are a no go area. In some countries, if I was to write this just asking
for evidence publicly, I would be jailed. This is the only topic we cannot openly discuss in some countires. WHY???

This is one of the few controversial topics I stopped posting about. I try to keep it that way.

In many kingdoms it is strictly forbidden to tell the truth about the royal degenerates with their dictatorial powers, including in the Netherlands...

One of the suspicious aspects of the German Nazis is that as far as I can tell they never exposed that the Ashke-nazi Jews, weren’t really Jews at all.

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I know Jewish people were persecuted by the National Socialists in Germany (I don't use the word Nazi as that is not what they called themselves),

The German National Sozialists DID refer to themselves as “Nazi”, see for example the celebration coin for the Haavara Agreement/transfer agreement, with on one side the hexagram and on the other side the swastika (both Zionist symbols).


My best guess is that “Nazi” I simply a different spelling of “Nasi”, which means “Prince” in ancient Hebrew.
The term Nasi also refers to the spiritual leaders of the Zionist Chabad-Lubavitch cult.
In Modern Hebrew, nasi means "president", for the Head of State and Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.

[Chief Bromden]

As a person who likes to know the truth about history, the gas chambers are a no go area. In some countries, if I was to write this just asking
for evidence publicly, I would be jailed. This is the only topic we cannot openly discuss in some countires. WHY???

This is one of the few controversial topics I stopped posting about. I try to keep it that way.

In many kingdoms it is strictly forbidden to tell the truth about the royal degenerates with their dictatorial powers, including in the Netherlands...

One of the suspicious aspects of the German Nazis is that as far as I can tell they never exposed that the Ashke-nazi Jews, weren’t really Jews at all.

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I know Jewish people were persecuted by the National Socialists in Germany (I don't use the word Nazi as that is not what they called themselves),

The German National Sozialists DID refer to themselves as “Nazi”, see for example the celebration coin for the Haavara Agreement/transfer agreement, with on one side the hexagram and on the other side the swastika (both Zionist symbols).


My best guess is that “Nazi” I simply a different spelling of “Nasi”, which means “Prince” in ancient Hebrew.
The term Nasi also refers to the spiritual leaders of the Zionist Chabad-Lubavitch cult.
In Modern Hebrew, nasi means "president", for the Head of State and Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.

Thanks for the info and images of the coin.

I don't like quoting Wikipedia, but here it is nevertheless.

"Nazism (/ˈnɑːtsɪzəm, ˈnæt-/ NA(H)T-siz-əm; German: Nazismus), the common name in English for National Socialism (German: Nationalsozialismus, German"

"The term "National Socialism" arose out of attempts to create a nationalist redefinition of socialism, as an alternative to both Marxist international socialism and free-market capitalism. Nazism rejected the Marxist concepts of class conflict and universal equality, opposed cosmopolitan internationalism, and sought to convince all parts of the new German society to subordinate their personal interests to the "common good", accepting political interests as the main priority of economic organisation"

"The full name of the party was Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (English: National Socialist German Workers' Party) and they officially used the acronym NSDAP. The term "Nazi" was in use before the rise of the NSDAP as a colloquial and derogatory word for a backwards farmer or peasant"

German National Socialsts on the whole did not imo not refer to themselves as "Nazis" This was an invention mainly by the opposing Western Press.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism

[Lexi]

Read all about David Irvin, is he right ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Irving

[Firestarter]

Read all about David Irvin, is he right ?

Irving still praises THE enemy of Germany, Adolf Hitler, so he's wrong about that...

Irving has changed his tune on the Holocaust.

"I am not a Holocaust denier," he said. "My views have changed. History is a constantly growing tree... The more documents are available, the more you learn, and I have learned a lot since 1989."

Asked about the Holocaust, he said: "I would call it the Jewish tragedy in World War 2" and that millions of Jews died.

https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/21961

[Robo]

Irving has changed his tune on the Holocaust.

"I am not a Holocaust denier," he said. "My views have changed. History is a constantly growing tree... The more documents are available, the more you learn, and I have learned a lot since 1989."

Asked about the Holocaust, he said: "I would call it the Jewish tragedy in World War 2" and that millions of Jews died.

https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/21961

Irwing said that at his trial in 2006, so in 2006, he said he'd learned a lot since 1989. The year 2006 was around 17 years ago. Hopefully, he's learned a lot since then as well. That's if learning is a positive thing. I spend a lot of time these days unlearning what I've learned because of the nature of the paradigm that we've been brought up in. So, perhaps it would be better for me to say that I hope he's unlearning things.

[Lexi]

Irving has changed his tune on the Holocaust.

"I am not a Holocaust denier," he said. "My views have changed. History is a constantly growing tree... The more documents are available, the more you learn, and I have learned a lot since 1989."

Asked about the Holocaust, he said: "I would call it the Jewish tragedy in World War 2" and that millions of Jews died.

https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/21961

Irwing said that at his trial in 2006, so in 2006, he said he'd learned a lot since 1989. The year 2006 was around 17 years ago. Hopefully, he's learned a lot since then as well. That's if learning is a positive thing. I spend a lot of time these days unlearning what I've learned because of the nature of the paradigm that we've been brought up in. So, perhaps it would be better for me to say that I hope he's unlearning things.

I reckon Irvin had to say what he said as they were making his life unbearable.

It's good to unlearn, I've had to unlearn a lot especially when it comes to the earth & space as I just know that we live on a level stationary earth.

[Truthspoon]

I think there is no doubt that many Jews died in world war 2..... the point is what caused their deaths?

Irving's comments do not negate what he has previously stated.... Irving's views have always been incredibly nuanced despite the hate and vitriol directed against him by the media and establishment, most of whom have probably never even heard him speak.

He has never denied that many, if not millions of Jews died while being interred in the work camps.

Unlike his opponents, he has interviewed people who actually knew Hitler personally, and was the man whose knowledge of Hitler was so great that he actually debunked the fraud of the Hitler diaries....since he had access to archives and information which could pinpoint Hitler's activities on an almost daily basis.....

The agenda against Irving is simply the establishment of lies meeting the bringer of truth and trying to destroy him.... or to paraphrase CS Lewis, what happens when the crooked meets the straight.... you get the cross of crucifixion on which our heroes and saviours and hung up and brutalised by the Pharisaic establishment which wishes to maintain their lies by the Pseudocratic power...

The point he makes, is that there was never a deliberate campaign of extermination of the Jews by the Nazis..... that the camps were 'resettlement camps' the aim being to relocate the Jews, so of course they couldn't work to sabotage Germany, since they after all, as a body had declared war on Germany in 1933.

The long term goal of Hitler was to resettle the Jews, possibly in Madagascar, once Germany had successfully defeated her enemies

The main cause of the death of the Jews in the camps is made evident by the evidence of the camps themselves.

Initially the camps did not have many incinerators... some did not have any..... if the camps had been built with the goal of killing Jews why were the 'ovens' not part of the camps' construction from the beginning?

Why do pictures from the camps in the early days show happy Jews engaging in theatre shows and orchestral shows?

Why were the male Jewish inmates specifically permitted to have Jewish prostitutes at the camps?

Why did they have a system of camp money?

Why the swimming pools which were clearly within the confines of the Jewish dormitories?

These are only a few of the questions which ought to make us stop and pause.

Incinerators, or so called 'ovens' were only constructed during the later stages of the war, 1942 and 1943, and they coincide with the spread of Typhus epidemics in the camps.

The Typhus came first, then the mass deaths, then the incinerators were rapidly constructed in order to dispose of the bodies due to the typhus outbreaks.

Also Zyklon B....

What is its main use?

It is a bug spray.... it kills lice...lice which spread Typhus, it simply cannot be used in any feasible way to kill humans... the mechanics of action proposed by the gas chamber idea just do not make any logical sense....

In the camps there are specific 'delousing chambers' which is even written in German on photographs of the camps. These are the places were the distinctive 'Prussian Blue' pigment is found due to the action of Zyklon B to kill the lice in the clothes of the inmates. No so called 'gas chamber' has ever been found to have traces of this pigment.

Those building claimed to have been 'gas chambers' have glass windows, and non-airtight wooden doors.... there is simply no way they would effectively work as gas chambers with the aim of killing humans with bug-spray.

And finally, the pictures of starving and emaciated Jews in the camps at the end of the war were caused by simply a lack of food and supplies.

Germany had been destroyed.....their own people were starving and dying.....why on Earth would anyone think the camps would be able to be supplied if the RAF were constantly destroying train tracks and supply lines to the camps.

The RAF pilots and such in the POW camps were in an almost exactly similar situation...... reports from the camps indicate there was simply no food. They received notice in codes from the Allies that they would likely suffer great food shortages since Germany was collapsing. They were reduced to eating soup made from potato peelings which they had scavenged presumably from refuse and were it not for them being advised to hoard their Red Cross parcels they likely would have presented a similar spectacle to that of the Labour camps once liberated... This was all detailed in the first hand account: The Colditz Story.

There is so much more to this story than we are ever told.... those who are unafraid of the truth look into it themselves... those who fear the truth because they have found comfort in lies and crucifying those who come to bring the truth......they just don't have the mental power to do so because they have a guardian watching their thoughts: the guardian of political correctness.

[Firestarter]

There is so much more to this story than we are ever told.... those who are unafraid of the truth look into it themselves... those who fear the truth because they have found comfort in lies and crucifying those who come to bring the truth......they just don't have the mental power to do so because they have a guardian watching their thoughts: the guardian of political correctness.

One of my reasons to not post about the Holocaust is that it automatically leads to an emotional response:
- If I deny the Holocaust, many people will see me as some sort of Hitler-loving, Jew-Hating neo-Nazi.
- If I support the Holocaust story, some conspiracy theorists will see me as Israel-loving, Marxist, Hasbara troll.

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Irving's comments do not negate what he has previously stated.... Irving's views have always been incredibly nuanced despite the hate and vitriol directed against him by the media and establishment, most of whom have probably never even heard him speak.

I have never given David Irving much attention as I found his stories on the “Holocaust” weak. Other than that I blame him for praising Hitler as some sort hero he never was.

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The point he makes, is that there was never a deliberate campaign of extermination of the Jews by the Nazis..... that the camps were 'resettlement camps' the aim being to relocate the Jews, so of course they couldn't work to sabotage Germany, since they after all, as a body had declared war on Germany in 1933.

I think that the whole “Holocaust” (I’m not saying that there were gas chambers) was aimed at poor “Jews”, while the rich and corrupt “Jews” had nothing to fear. The Austrian Rothschild that was locked up in a posh hotel, and then allowed to escape to the Netherlands of all places is well-known,
At history falsification at school in the Netherlands we were told that the only way Jews could escape the Holocaust during the Nazi occupation was going into hiding or escaping to the “free world”.

Every single Dutch book or movie on WW II seems to be about the so-called Dutch resistance against the German Nazis (there were hardly German Nazis in the Netherlands during the so-called “occupation”).

I have found multiple examples of Jews in Nazi-occupied the Netherlands (also in France) that continued to do their business, including the father of Anne Frank, Otto Frank.
Maybe the most interesting of these is Harry Mulish and his Jewish mother. Mulish is one of the most famous Dutch authors, whose book about WW II, De aanslag, was made into an Oscar winning movie.

In 1979, the Jewish Harry Mulisch started the "Herenclub Deftig links" in Amsterdam, with members Cees Nooteboom, Wim Duisenberg, Henk Hofland, Marcel van Dam, Jeroen Henneman, Hans van Mierlo and Max Pam.

Mulisch was born of a German-Jewish mother, Alice Schwarz, so a Jew. Schwarz was the daughter of an Austrian-Jewish banker.
His Jew-loving “Aryan” Austrian-Hungarian father, Kurt Victor Karl Mulisch, collaborated with the Nazi's during the “German occupation” of the Netherlands.

Kurt Mulisch was hired by the father of Alice before he married her in 1926 (they divorced in 1937).
During WW II, Kurt Mulisch worked for the Lippmann, Rosenthal & Co Nazi bank that was founded to confiscate Jewish money.

The Jews Harry and mother Alice had nothing to fear from the Dutch Nazi regime.
Harry Mulish attended the First Christian Lyceum in Haarlem from 1941-1944.
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