Neo-Nazi tried to provoke a race war to advance white supremacy

[Robo]

I was never a homophobe until I encountered you, you crazy fucking cunt.

Typical Truthsppon response, blame someone else for your racism and homophobia and not accept self-responsibility. All you can do is resort to petty name calling. When are you going to grow up?

[Truthspoon]

We used to be friends..... we had good times, for God's sakes we lived together............I remember those times......and they were good times, you taught me......you were part of my path to becoming a Christian..... despite you seeming to want to now focus on the fashionable something else.....

Are you Christian? Or are you a Gay?

Can't have it both ways.

[Robo]

We used to be friends..... we had good times, for God's sakes we lived together............I remember those times......and they were good times, you taught me......you were part of my path to becoming a Christian..... despite you seeming to want to focus on something else.....

Are you Christian? Or are you a Gay?

Can't have it both ways.

Yes, we were friends once. I haven't changed. You never used to be racist or homophobic, but you've clearly changed.

All claims that homosexuality is incompatible with being Christians are based on misunderstandings of the Bible.

[Truthspoon]

We used to be friends..... we had good times, for God's sakes we lived together............I remember those times......and they were good times, you taught me......you were part of my path to becoming a Christian..... despite you seeming to want to focus on something else.....

Are you Christian? Or are you a Gay?

Can't have it both ways.

Yes, we were friends once. I haven't changed. You never used to be racist or homophobic, but you've clearly changed.

All claims that homosexuality is incompatible with being Christians are based on misunderstandings of the Bible.

No. You just haven't read or heard about the Acts of the Apostles or the letters of Saint Paul.

Unfortunately for you, homosexually is not to be tolerated in Christianity.

Is it worth going to hell for the sake of fucking a man's anus?

Wake up man.

It's not even my beef, but you can't attack me as a Christian because I'm a homophobe... Christianity is definitely homophobic.

Whatever you are....maybe it's something else.......but don't pretend to be a Christian justifying being a gay. It's just bullshit.

[Robo]

No. You just haven't read or heard about the Acts of the Apostles or the letters of Saint Paul.

Unfortunately for you, homosexually is not to be tolerated in Christianity.

Is it worth going to hell for the sake of fucking an anus?

Wake up man.

I've been through all the scriptures and those scriptures have been misunderstood.
The word "homosexuality" isn't even mentioned in original biblical manuscripts.

[Truthspoon]

No. You just haven't read or heard about the Acts of the Apostles or the letters of Saint Paul.

Unfortunately for you, homosexually is not to be tolerated in Christianity.

Is it worth going to hell for the sake of fucking an anus?

Wake up man.

I've been through all the scriptures and those scriptures have been misunderstood.
The word "homosexuality" isn't even mentioned in original biblical manuscripts.

I am surprised after all the JW sect never taught you the acts of Peter and Paul......

You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination (Leviticus 18: 22).
If a man lies with a male as with a female, both of them have committed an abomination (Lev 20:13).
Likewise, the story of the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah depicts, among other things, the sinfulness of homosexual activity. It is too lengthy to reproduce here in its entirety, but you can read about it in Genesis 19. Some have tried to spread the error that the story of Sodom and Gomorrah is merely about “hospitality,” and I have written on that subject here: The Sin of Sodom and Gomorrah. And let every Catholic note that the Catechism
includes Genesis 19 in it scriptural notes on the biblical basis for forbidding homosexual acts.
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and wickedness of men who by their wickedness suppress the truth. For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them … in the things that have been made. So, they are without excuse; they became futile in their thinking and their senseless minds were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools … For this reason, God gave them up to dishonorable passions. Their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural, and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in their own persons the due penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a base mind and to improper conduct (Romans 1:18ff).
Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanders nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God (1 Corinthians 6:9).
The law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, the sexually immoral, for those who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine, in accordance with the gospel of the glory of the blessed God with which I have been entrusted (1 Timothy 1: 8-11).

[Truthspoon]

Just don't fuck a man up the arse?

How hard is that faggot?

Repent your sins and become a Christian.

[Robo]

I am surprised after all the JW sect never taught you the acts of Peter and Paul......

You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination (Leviticus 18: 22).
If a man lies with a male as with a female, both of them have committed an abomination (Lev 20:13).
Likewise, the story of the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah depicts, among other things, the sinfulness of homosexual activity. It is too lengthy to reproduce here in its entirety, but you can read about it in Genesis 19. Some have tried to spread the error that the story of Sodom and Gomorrah is merely about “hospitality,” and I have written on that subject here: The Sin of Sodom and Gomorrah. And let every Catholic note that the Catechism
includes Genesis 19 in it scriptural notes on the biblical basis for forbidding homosexual acts.
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and wickedness of men who by their wickedness suppress the truth. For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them … in the things that have been made. So, they are without excuse; they became futile in their thinking and their senseless minds were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools … For this reason, God gave them up to dishonorable passions. Their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural, and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in their own persons the due penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a base mind and to improper conduct (Romans 1:18ff).
Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanders nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God (1 Corinthians 6:9).
The law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, the sexually immoral, for those who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine, in accordance with the gospel of the glory of the blessed God with which I have been entrusted (1 Timothy 1: 8-11).

Regarding "men lying with men", again, you're quoting from poor translations of the Bible. "The word “arsenokoitai” shows up in two different verses in the bible, but it was not translated to mean 'homosexual' until 1946":

https://um-insight.net/perspectives/has ... the-bible/

The word “arsenokoitai” shows up in two different verses in the bible, but it was not translated to mean 'homosexual' until 1946".

It first showed up in the RSV translation. So before figuring out why they decided to use that word in the RSV translation (which is outlined in my upcoming book with Kathy Baldock, Forging a Sacred Weapon: How the Bible Became Anti-Gay) I wanted to see how other cultures and translations treated the same verses when they were translated during the Reformation 500 years ago. So I started collecting old Bibles in French, German, Irish, Gaelic, Czechoslovakian, Polish… you name it. Now I’ve got most European major languages that I’ve collected over time. Anyway, I had a German friend come back to town and I asked if he could help me with some passages in one of my German Bibles from the 1800s. So we went to Leviticus 18:22 and he’s translating it for me word for word. In the English where it says “Man shall not lie with man, for it is an abomination,” the German version says “Man shall not lie with young boys as he does with a woman, for it is an abomination.” I said, “What?! Are you sure?” He said, “Yes!” Then we went to Leviticus 20:13— same thing, “Young boys.” So we went to 1 Corinthians to see how they translated arsenokoitai (original Greek word) and instead of homosexuals it said, “Boy molesters will not inherit the kingdom of God.”

I then grabbed my facsimile copy of Martin Luther’s original German translation from 1534. My friend is reading through it for me and he says, “Ed, this says the same thing!” They use the word knabenschander. Knaben is boy, schander is molester. This word “boy molesters” for the most part carried through the next several centuries of German Bible translations. Knabenschander is also in 1 Timothy 1:10. So the interesting thing is, I asked if they ever changed the word arsenokoitai to homosexual in modern translations. So my friend found it and told me, “The first time homosexual appears in a German translation is 1983.” To me that was a little suspect because of what was happening in culture in the 1970s. Also because the Germans were the ones who created the word homosexual in 1862, they had all the history, research, and understanding to change it if they saw fit; however, they did not change it until 1983. If anyone was going to put the word homosexual in the Bible, the Germans should have been the first to do it!

A German translation of the Bible showing the word "knabenschander" meaning "molester of boys." (The Forge Online Photo; used by permission).

As I was talking with my friend I said, “I wonder why not until 1983? Was their influence from America?” So we had our German connection look into it again and it turns out that the company, Biblica, who owns the NIV version, paid for this 1983 German version. Thus it was Americans who paid for it! In 1983 Germany didn’t have enough of a Christian population to warrant the cost of a new Bible translation, because it’s not cheap. So an American company paid for it and influenced the decision, resulting in the word homosexual entering the German Bible for the first time in history. So, I say, I think there is a “gay agenda” after all!

I also have a 1674 Swedish translation and an 1830 Norwegian translation of the Bible. I asked one of my friends, who was attending Fuller seminary and is fluent in both Swedish and Norwegian, to look at these verses for me. So we met at a coffee shop in Pasadena with my old Bibles. (She didn’t really know why I was asking.) Just like reading an old English Bible, it’s not easy to read. The letters are a little bit funky, the spelling is a little bit different. So she’s going through it carefully, and then her face comes up, “Do you know what this says?!” and I said, “No! That’s why you are here!” She said, “It says boy abusers, boy molesters.” It turns out that the ancient world condoned and encouraged a system whereby young boys (8-12 years old) were coupled by older men. Ancient Greek documents show us how even parents utilized this abusive system to help their sons advance in society. So for most of history, most translations thought these verses were obviously referring the pederasty, not homosexuality!

So then I started thinking that of 4 of the 6 clobber passages, all these nations and translations were referring to pederasty, and not what we would call homosexuality today.

[Truthspoon]

That's great, but be a Christian and not a gay......and you will be ok....

[Robo]

That's great, but be a Christian and not a gay......and you will be ok....

I left the Jehovah's Witness when I was 15 years old, and was only a member because my mother forced me to be, but that didn't stop me from learning and thinking for myself. I quickly learned that even the JW's misinterpret the Bible. Ironically, it's the JW's own Bible that mistakenly translates "arsenokoitai" as "men who lie with men", but the word "arsenokoitai" actually means temple prostitute, and not someone who is homosexual.

As shown by your terse reply, whenever I give you evidence, you simply ignore it. How can I reason with you, if you won't reason? As usual, you don't respond to evidence or reason. You started off by swearing and name-calling, and now you only want to stick to the mainstream understanding of the Bible. Somehow, you've allowed yourself to be indoctrinated with false understandings.

If you want to ignore the truth of what the earliest manuscripts of the Bible say, and stick to blaming anyone but for yourself for being homophobic, that's your problem.

Yes, we were friends, but it's you who've changed. You've even mentioned on forums that some time ago, you used to date a black woman.. a "big black momma".

https://forum.davidicke.com/index.php?/ ... ent=162874

Do you blame her for your dislike of black people?

You seem to be very good at blaming everyone, except yourself.